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Joe Rogan & Theo Von Viral Trump War Backlash: “Podcast Bros”

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Le sigh, the podcast bros are back online complaining about the state of the world.

This time, Joe Rogan hosted Theo Von on his podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, in an episode where they discuss everything from government conspiracies to global politics. A few moments are going viral where they express particular dismay and fear about the ongoing war with Iran.

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While discussing government fraud and waste early in the episode, a conversation about the treatment of TSA workers during government funding issues turned to criticism of political elites and of war.

“They’re not even getting paid,” Von said of the TSA workers not receiving pay amid the partial government shutdown. “I know. They just started getting back pay… It’s crazy, like, that they’re the least priority,” Rogan replied.

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“Like bro, flying is fucking super important, you dummies. You want to keep the economy going? You got to let people fly around. They got shit to do, man. You can’t just fucking not pay the TSA people. You fucking idiots. How come you get paid? How come you get paid?” Rogan continued.

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Then, Von turned to critique the elites in power. “I’m just sick of this shit. And I’m sick of rich people not putting their fucking kids over in these wars and shit like that,” Von said. “Put your fucking honky-ass kids up there. Let them go shed some fucking blood.”

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“Especially if you’re asking for it,” Rogan replied. “Especially if you’re out there fucking bullshitting, dude. Put your fucking honky little fancy-ass fucking kid up there, man. That shit makes me mad, bro,” Von continued.

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Rogan responded, “Well, I think there’s also a problem. The people that I’ve talked to that have served overseas and have been involved and deployed in military operations and seen a lot of shit. There are a lot of them are of the opinion that you shouldn’t be able to make those decisions if you never been to war. If you don’t know what it is, you don’t know what you’re sending people to do.”

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The moment Von got heated over elites has gone particularly viral, even prompting him to respond to criticism online.

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“I meant the elites and politicians that are leading us into these wars might make different choices if it was their children,” he said on X. “It was hard for me to be angry and talk at the same time. I am thankful for to our troops who serve and are far braver than me. And also wtf do i know.”

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Shortly after this conversation in the episode, Von said, “Like, I’m [in] fear dude. I’m scared. I’ll be honest with you.” Rogan replied, “Yeah, you should be. … Well, it’s a scary time because this is a real hot war.”

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Von brought up his fear A LOT with Rogan. He said others tell him they’re scared, too. He spoke of a taxi driver who said a “revolution” is needed and urged Von to use his voice. Rogan urged Von not to take the taxi app and to rent a car instead.

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There were multiple moments when Rogan attempted to simmer down Von’s concerns, even at one point suggesting that Von should get off his antidepressants and relax.

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But notably, Rogan also joined in on Von’s critiques of power. In another conversation, they discussed the lack of accountability for the Epstein files and further theorized about the war.

“Like, yeah. I don’t know, man. Everybody just feels scared and it makes things scary,” Von said. “Well, they should because a lot of things are getting exposed right now. … Like no one’s getting in trouble for the Epstein files,” Rogan replied. “Yeah. That’s almost disappeared, kind of,” Von said.

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“Well, that’s part of what happens when there’s some sort of a big social thing. One thing that’s in the past, that leaders have used to cover up problems at home is a fucking war,” Rogan said. “I’m not saying that that’s why they bombed Iran, but that would be a way to do it.”

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“If you’re that psychotic, you know, and if you were thinking about doing it anyway, you might be able to justify it. People have always done that also to stay in power,” he added.

At the end of the episode, Von asked Rogan if he thinks we will be OK. Rogan got candid.

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“I hope so, of course. I don’t know. I’m confused. I can’t believe we went to this war. When we started bombing Iran, I was like, this can’t be true,” he said.

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“And what about Lebanon now?” Theo asked. “I know. Israel’s invaded Lebanon,” Rogan replied.

“It’s like, just fucking stop it. What do you need?” Von said. “Well, they’re trying to — supposedly — they’re trying to stop the terrorists,” Rogan said.

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Laughing, Theo replied, “That’s crazy, though, if you’re the fucking terrorist. You know what I’m saying? Like, if you want to stop them, fucking stand in front of the fucking mirror and start there. But also, what do I know? … But it’s all just like, fuck, there’s got to be some way that we’re better than this.”

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Well…oh! Honestly, color me shocked by this opinion switch-up from the bro podcasters.

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And, y’all, I’m usually all for forgiveness for those that have changed their views, but I’m tired.

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I’m not here to say their concerns and conversations are not valid, but it lands a little differently when you remember that both Rogan and Von, both with massive, mostly male platforms, threw their support behind Donald Trump in the 2024 election, despite how many people warned that things like this would happen.

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And, I’m not alone — online after clips from the podcast went viral, others are sharing the sentiment. “These two men helped Trump and Vance get elected. I’m glad they’re saying what they’re saying now but I wish they would own that,” one viral tweet read.

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Some are calling out the bros directly that they need to do more to “get us out of this fiasco.”

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Others are like, “it’s too late” for forgiveness. “fuck you. read a fucking book,” one wrote.

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But some are just like, “Finally! They’re waking up!”

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“people can say what they want, but i’m here for this. there has got be a very broad coalition to vote republicans out of power. doesn’t mean i forgive them for helping trump in the last election,” another wrote.

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Obviously, the MAGA supporters are not happy to lose their brethren. “Theo Von and Joe Rogan are leftists in their hearts,” one wrote.

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Why Trump Stayed Onstage Longer Than JD Vance After Shooting

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President Donald Trump suggested he may have intentionally slowed down U.S. Secret Service agents, causing Vice President JD Vance to be evacuated from the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner noticeably faster than the commander-in-chief following a nearby shooting.

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“I wanted to see what was happening,” Trump explained during a high-profile interview with 60 Minutes on Sunday. “And I wasn’t making it that easy for them. I wanted to see what was going on. And by that time, we started to realize maybe it was a bad problem,” he noted regarding the security breach.

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Trump commented on the frantic ballroom scene shortly after CBS anchor Norah O’Donnell pointed out that it took security details roughly 20 seconds longer to usher him offstage compared to his VP. “What was happening?” O’Donnell questioned. “Well, what happened is it was a little bit me,” Trump admitted.

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Footage from the event depicts the audible sounds of gunfire echoing from outside the main ballroom while the president and first lady Melania Trump, alongside others at the head table, observed a performance by mentalist Oz Pearlman. Moments later, several agents emerged from the wings before accelerating their pace to surround the Trumps.

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Security personnel then assisted Trump from his chair before escorting him offstage behind a protective curtain. Vance had been rushed out about 20 seconds prior after agents grabbed him by his suit jacket while he was still seated and hurried him away from the dais. Trump told O’Donnell he felt “surrounded by great people” but claimed he forced the agents to “act a little bit more slowly.”

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“I said, ‘Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me see. Wait a minute,’” Trump recalled. The president further noted that as they exited, agents instructed him to “please go down on the floor.” He and the first lady took cover on the ground, he said, before rising shortly after to be led by the protective detail to a secure holding room.

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As the current administration faces intense scrutiny regarding the reported lower level of security at the dinner compared to other presidential appearances, White House officials are scheduled to review security protocols this week for upcoming major events involving the president.

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Karoline Leavitt Hitler Comment Sparks Brutal Online Rebuttal

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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Monday tried to blame what she called a “left-wing cult of hatred” against President Donald Trump for political violence in the nation, including the shooting at Saturday’s White House Correspondents’ Association dinner.

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But one of her complaints caught the eyes and ears of critics. “Those who constantly falsely label and slander the president as a fascist, as a threat to democracy, and compare him to Hitler to score political points are fueling this kind of violence,” she declared.

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As many were quick to point out, one of the most prominent examples of someone comparing Trump to Hitler is already in the White House: Vice President JD Vance. In 2016, when Trump was running for president for the first time, Vance told a friend via private message that he wasn’t sure if Trump was “a cynical asshole like Nixon” or if he could be “America’s Hitler.”

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Vance has since said he was wrong about Trump. But many are reminding Leavitt of what he said in the past:

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Is Taylor Swift Calling Out Fans for Lyrical Paternity Tests?

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Taylor Swift has officially earned her spot on the New York Times list of the 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters, joining the ranks of icons like Mariah Carey, Nile Rodgers, and Jay-Z.

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As Taylor’s massive discography has expanded, her dedicated fanbase has made it their mission to analyze every single lyric, hunting for secret clues about the singer’s private life.

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Take her iconic hit “All Too Well,” for instance. The lyrics, “I left my scarf there at your sister’s house, and you’ve still got it in your drawer even now,” sparked a viral investigation. Fans quickly deduced the scarf was left at Maggie Gyllenhaal’s house during Taylor’s relationship with Jake Gyllenhaal. The internet then collectively demanded the actor return the infamous accessory.

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The scarf saga became so legendary that music royalty Dionne Warwick even weighed in on Twitter with a hilarious offer to help:

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“If that young man has Taylor’s scarf he should return it.”

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“It does not belong to you. Box it up and I will pay the cost of postage, Jake.”

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In a recent interview with the New York Times, Taylor finally addressed the constant decoding of her work, confessing that the obsession with her personal life “can be a little bit weird.”

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“There’s corners of my fanbase who are gonna take things to a really extreme place,” Swift admitted. “There’s nothing I can do about that. There’s people who are gonna try to, like, do detective work, figure out the details — who is that about? What is this?”

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“When it gets a little bit weird for me is when people act like it’s a paternity test,” she added. “Like, ‘This song’s about that person.’ Because I’m like, ‘That dude didn’t write the song, I did.’ But that’s part of it.”

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Fans are currently split on Taylor’s take regarding these lyrical Easter egg hunts. For the most part, many listeners are backing her up:

“i think it’s very stupid when people waste their time trying to find out who a particular song is about.. like just enjoy the song”

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“maylors, joewives, and travwives all are gonna hate reading this”

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“Thank you for calling us out”

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“Like how she owns it, the end of the day, she wrote the song, not the guesses.”

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“Those people are the Swifties. And I am guilty I am one of that people”

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“People focus on the muse but ignore the creator… she clocked that”

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“She’s so right. People get so caught up in the ‘who’ that they forget to appreciate the ‘how.’ The songwriting stands on its own regardless of whose name is in the headlines.”

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“Taylor writes from her own heart and experiences yet fans turn every line into a guessing game. Let her keep the magic instead of treating songs like detective puzzles. Shes right.”

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“Taylor Swift really said it perfectly People love playing detective , but turning songs into a ‘paternity test’ is kinda missing the point At the end of the day, the story, the emotions, the art — it all comes from her Let the music be felt, not dissected”

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“Taylor calling it a paternity test is the most accurate description of Twitter/X whenever she drops an album. People are out here with whiteboards and red string trying to prove a song is about a guy she dated for three weeks in 2014.”

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“Not Taylor calling us detectives with fake badges We out here with red string and conspiracy boards like All Too Well 10 Min Version was about my situationship too. But she’s righ the pen belongs to her”

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“I know some people in this fandom will be so mad…,lmao”

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However, a different segment of the internet argues that Taylor herself encouraged this sleuthing behavior for years:

“I find this a little odd of her to say… she’s the one who taught us to do that. She capitalized letters in her lyric books in the cds for us to decode… now she doesn’t want us dissecting things?”

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“Taylor Swift needs to take her ego down a notch. Maybe her fanatic ‘swifties’ are all up in her business but the general public doesn’t care. Plus, songs and poems have always held a mysterious origin curiosity. Some are easy to figure out or the author says it. Others are secretive leaving the public to wonder. That’s the beauty of songs and poems.”

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“She literally leaves easter eggs everywhere and than says this girl, you trained them that way!”

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“She trained detectives for years and now wants peace. Fair enough”

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Throughout her storied career, Taylor’s high-profile romances have been under a microscope. She has previously been linked to stars like Harry Styles, Joe Jonas, Matty Healy, and Joe Alwyn. During those eras, fans meticulously dissected her lyrics like a team of forensic experts to find any scrap of romantic tea.

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She is now happily engaged to NFL champion Travis Kelce and is in the midst of wedding planning. With fans affectionately calling them the “English teacher” and the “gym teacher,” it’s certain that their upcoming nuptials will be the most analyzed event in pop culture history.

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What do you think about Taylor’s thoughts on fans hunting for relationship clues in her music? Share your opinion in the comments below!

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